the other thing before i forget is that culturally most people regard coffee shops like starbucks to be social meet spots, like a bar without the booze, the truth is lots of folks go there to actually work....am not sure whether its the customers that need to adapt culturally and treat this places like working places (no loud talking and other disruptive behavior) or this places that need to have different sections..... what i know is that i need a non office working location and there are thousands like me that need this kind of thing, is there going to be a wifibucks in the future with this things that i need, am not sure , but i know that its easier to do the community net thing since any establishment can share the net and provide whatever other facilities that would differentiate it from others and that costs a couple hundreds at the most.